Sunday, October 12, 2008

prop 8 and adoption

on sunday, i usually try and post an article about adoption, religion and/or infertility.
today is no exception.
although today it has a little bit of a political flavor, a topic i usually try to avoid as i despise politics and all the arguing it brings with it. drives me crazy.

it seems that so much in this election is about adoption for me. i can say with certainty that it will be the determining factor for whom i vote.

california scares me to death right now.
what if prop 8 does
not pass?
what does that mean for my friends hoping to adopt and hoping to place in california?
what does that mean for religious adoption agencies?
as san fransisco's mayor, gavin newsom says,
"as california goes, so goes the rest of the nation."
(watch this. ahhhh. he gives me the creeps.)
it's scary.

today at church our bishop announced a new effort in our community here in utah to make calls to california residents asking for help to pass prop 8. (read about it here.) i signed up whole-heartedly ...which is a big deal, people, as i do not have any free time.
it means that much to me.

i am terrified of what it will mean for adoption.

opponents of proposition 8 say that adoption will not be affected if prop 8 gets voted down, that it will not change California’s adoption laws, or increase the potential for lawsuits against adoption agencies [religious or secular] ...to which i have to say, um ...it already has.
it is
already happening.

adoption.com and parentprofiles.com have
already been under attack in california. they lost the legal battle and now their services are not available to california couples hoping to adopt or birth parents hoping to place in california. to read about that from the Family Equality Council (who are pleased about the defeat) click here.

i attended the national board meeting on friday for the Families Supporting Adoption. prop 8 came up. if it does
not pass, it will be very near impossible for LDSFS to continue in the adoption world. already in massachusetts, LDSFS is getting pressure to close its doors as they do not offer services to homosexual couples. you may be thinking, "well, LDSFS doesn't offer services to heterosexual couples who are not endowed, sealed and active members of the Church." that is true and that is under attack as well.

here is what you need to know about prop 8 from an adoption standpoint:

Religious adoption agencies will be challenged by government agencies to give up their long-held right to place children only in homes with both a mother and a father. Catholic Charities in Boston already closed its doors in Massachusetts (after 100 years of practice) because courts legalized same-sex marriage there.

i also came across this document.
i was especially interested in talking point 9 which states,

"Expanding the definition of marriage by including homosexual
relationships adds to the continued disregard for marriage’s ultimate
purpose. Where it has been legalized, same-sex marriage decreases
the total number of marriages while increasing illegitimacy. Nine
European nations have had same-sex marriage since the early 90’s—
and just 2 percent of same-sex couples in these countries ever marry,
while there has been 46 percent increase in out-of-wedlock births."

vote yes on prop 8!

22 comments:

Sean, Jen and Carson said...

This scares me, too. When we lived in CA the last time this came around, we went door to door, made phone calls, delivered yard signs and attended meetings to get it passed. Prayers were a HUGE aspect of getting this passed, though. It was amazing to see people on the news after voting saying, "I was prepared to vote no, but felt that I needed to vote yes at the last minute" and lots of people who got "confused" and voted yes thinking they were voting no.

Do you mind if I link my blog to this post?

mom of six, nana of two said...

From someone who lives in Cali...AMEN AMEN AMEN and THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

Christal said...
This post has been removed by the author.
wifethereof said...

I think it will pass from what I'm hearing today. It really ticks me off that they would go after adoption agencies. There are plenty of agencies(and fertility clinics) that will accept same sex couples and if there was one that ONLY accepted same sex couples I doubt they would be sued.

ALX2000 said...

Thank you for standing up for what is right.

yes-on-prop8.blogspot.com

Chloe said...

Yes yes yes. Thank you so much for posting this - we are really working hard in CA to get this passed and need to get the word out. Thank you!

The Sanderson Fam said...

I think it's important for people to really sit and think about how this WILL affect everyone. Just like the video you posted the other day about the "diversity package". Thank you for using your far-reaching blog as a way to stand up for marriage. I believe now more than ever that a line is being drawn in the sand and we all must choose what side we are going to be on. Thank you.

Shayla said...

Thank you so much for this post... you have such a following & this will get to so many people. I've been following for a little while as many friends(some on your 'adoption peeps' list) and many family members are living in the "adoption" world. I love your blog & how it always touches my heart. Thank you, from a former California, but mostly a mother trying to protect marriage in all states, for your help & voice!
Shayla
Idaho Falls, ID

The McKay's said...

It's hard to say...A lot of people in our ward in LA are making calls and are getting discouraged...but that's just one area.

I talk about it with friends. I hope it passes. It needs to pass.

I think there is a good chance that people will "accidentally" vote YES thinking it means, "yes, gay marriage."

We will be voting and praying alongside everyone else.

Anonymous said...

i am shocked that someone who is so pro-adoption is so intolerant of same-sex marriage. what about all those same-sex couples who want to give an adopted child a home?

mrs. r said...

dear anonymous,

don't make assumptions about how i feel and don't name call. you have no idea about my connections to the gay community.

i think i clearly expressed that my fear is what will happen for religiously based adoption agencies.

they are going to have to start closing their doors. that is a reality. adoption in the united states is already dying, i fear this legislation may be the final blow.

mrs. r

M-Ware said...

thanks for this post, mrs. r. we californians need all the help we can get in passing this!

Anonymous said...

dear mrs. r.,
why don't the religiously based adoption agencies work with same-sex couples? isn't it in the best interest of children to place them in loving homes? i am confused how prop. 8 is a threat to religious based adoption agencies. can you explain more? thank you.

Amy said...

Anonymous, because it is against everything we believe in. MAN and WOMAN - a family. That is God's way. That is the way of the church. The church will never bend to the wicked ways of the world.

Yes, wicked. Ever read the bible? You may want to pick it up to see what happened to vile cities that lived in sin. God does not tolerate it - neither do I - neither will the prophet - neither will the church. And as long as I can, I will be a soldier and advocate for the FAMILY. Man and Woman. No exceptions.

Sorry if I spoke out of place, but I am feeling strongly, as a resident of California who is scared to death of what will become of our pending adoption and hope of future adoption. It breaks my heart and makes me want to run home to Utah.

Thank you for this well-written post. It makes me heartsick. I thank you for your work with Prop 8 as well. Thank you very, very much.

emily said...

would you mind posting your comments about abortion in the comments section of my blog? they are very good--and more people need to know about them.

thank you for your cool posts

http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/

p.s. my sister is a follower of your blog.

Anonymous said...

Obviously this is a very sensitive topic, but it is important to remember that God created us all. America is based on freedom and the belief that we are all equal. I believe that not allowing certain groups of people to share the same rights as other Americans is wrong. You can disagree with actions or lifestyles, but to deny rights is also very wrong. I believe homophobia is just as damaging as sexism, racism and any other form of predjudice. Saying that you have friends or family members that are gay means that you are not homophobic is so false. By trying to deny rights to gays IS homophobic.

mrs. r said...

homophobia: unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.


based on dictionary.com's definition, it would be pretty hard to love and care for someone who chooses a homosexual lifestyle if you are homophobic. i do love and care for certain individuals in this community. you don't have any idea how much, but my love for them isn't going to change my values or deep religious beliefs.

to say that i am intolerant or homophobic is a cheap way to have this conversation. name calling didn't even work in elementary school.

Anonymous said...

Also, on dictionary.com

homophobic: adjective, prejudiced against homosexual people.

I'm sorry that it's uncomfortable for you, but if you want to deny rights to certain individuals that you don't agree with, it's prejudice.

What would it be called if hispanics weren't allowed to marry? What about people over 30? How about Catholics? It's prejudice. Being prejudice against gays is called homophobic. Period.

The definition you gave states unreasoning fear towards gays. How many people including you have stated that they fear what gay marriage will do? Not too long ago there was a fear of what would happen if African Americans were to have the same rights. Seems so silly now that there was ever any doubt that they should.

Have you told these gay people you love and care for that you don't feel they should have the same rights as you do? How would you feel if your marriage was not recognized because of your religion?

Honestly, I don't even know any gay people. People are people. We are all God's children. Let's let Him be the one to judge.

mrs. r said...

i guess where we differ is that i think that being homosexual is a choice--unlike race, unlike age.

you clearly think that it is not--that it is something that you have no control over. that there is no choice involved.

i guess that is our fundamental difference. if that's not how you feel than please clarify.

...and get some homosexual friends. i could argue that because you don't have any that you are homophobic because you choose not to associate with them or seek them out as friends. but, i am not into name calling.

Anonymous said...

Ok. Gotta leave one more comment. BTW, I'm really not trying to argue, I just feel strongly about my views, just like you do about yours. I totally respect you and your opinions. Seriously. It just makes me so sad that in this day and age there are still so many prejudices.

You are right I don't believe that the majority of homosexuals choose to be gay. What would be the point to do that? They face extreme amounts of prejudices, stereotypes and ridicule. It just doesn't make sense to me that any person would choose that for no reason. Even IF it is a choice, why should we take away rights because of how two adults choose to live their lives? Why be afraid of two adults wanting to promise to love eachother for eternity? Why not allow a teenager that nobody wants to adopt because he/she is no longer an infant finally feel the love of a family?

You don't need to answer all the questions, I just wanted to throw them out there. Like I said before, this is a sensitive topic and its hard to understand eachothers views so I'll leave it at that. I was just curious about your thoughts.

P.S. Let me know how to seek out some homosexual friends and I'll get right on that. Your last paragraph was so funny. :)

mrs. r said...

people make bad choices everyday.

Anonymous said...

Prop 8 and is consequences are widely misunderstood, both for and against. It's unfortunate that so many untruths are being claimed.

The reality is few people have the education and experience necessary to really understand legal precedent and legal consequences. Experienced lawyers argue over interpretations of minute phrases and how law should be applied.

I suggest you and your readers really take the time and educate yourselves by reading commentary by Morris A. Thurston, a BYU law professor before you claim to fully understand Prop 8 and its consequences.

Here's the link to Thurston's wll thought out unbiased analysis:
http://www.mormonsformarriage.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/secondversionresponsestosixconsequencesifprop8fails1.pdf